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Post by M-G Corki on Jul 17, 2007 20:29:40 GMT
I've cracked. I've posted. Feel free to join in.
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Post by fhornofvalere on Jul 17, 2007 21:15:41 GMT
Corki, Kath answered your question about admin interferance.
Also, a couple orgs volunteered to be the gunea pigs, so at the very least most of the bugs will be worked out before a move happens. And I bet we could be one of the last orgs if we asked.
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Post by twinflower on Jul 17, 2007 21:49:35 GMT
Kath has also confirmed that the offsites may be kept for archives.
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Post by M-G Corki on Jul 17, 2007 22:01:33 GMT
Still, I'd rather be the only one in charge of the sub domain.
It will be interesting to see how the other ORGs/Divs fair as 'guinea pigs'. If it works, I'll consider moving over now I know data movement is not going to happen. Control is still the issue, as is the lack of communication over the whole episode.
And Kath has just admitted the move went well. That made me laugh. I wonder how many people will post all the things that didn't work. As I suggested, we should have had the new boards kept secret until everything was working. Ah well, enjoy the hole you've just dug for yourself, Kath.
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Post by taymist on Jul 17, 2007 22:06:05 GMT
I must admit I rather choked over that claim. I suppose it did go well compared to previous DM experiences but its not my idea of "well".
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Post by twinflower on Jul 17, 2007 22:18:03 GMT
just as a correction here...
Kath did state that she felt the move should have been kept secret until things were up and running..that JASON posted the move.
Knowing that, we know they didn't get the chance to work out bugs, without the onslaught of complaints and critisizing. Had they had that extra time, some of the problems would never have been known about by the time the DM community were allowed access to the new boards.
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Post by taymist on Jul 17, 2007 22:35:08 GMT
That's hardly news Twin, we're all already aware of that fact. It was Jason who posted the original post at DM and hence why Horn, myself and Goldy were all directly in touch with Jason immediately as Jason requested it and thanked us for our feedback and queries. Its where most of our own information came from.
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Post by twinflower on Jul 17, 2007 23:08:13 GMT
I was clarifying Tay. Corki's post seemed to be saying that Kath was the one who made this choice.
And kath is not the only one who is saying the move went ok....which to be fair..no information was lost..it is still on the old DM boards, it just has not been transferred so is considered archived.
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Post by taymist on Jul 17, 2007 23:12:37 GMT
Its not just lost data in that sense though. Its lost in the sense that it didn't transfer so yet again its our hard work and time that has to go into archiving or manually transferring and to be honest with the amount I've done lately I could cheerfully throttle someone.
I don't care what they say about servers going down anywhere. We've had not one single problem here at pro boards in the time since I joined which is almost a year now. Not one. And during that time the problems at DM have been multiple to varying degrees.
On top of that the data that was transferred was mixed up, messed up, duplicated, spread unevenly over pages, not stickied... the list goes on.
It was an incompetent mess. End of.
(Oh yeah and before we get into archiving, I'm aware the old boards will still be readable and just not open to posting... but as they're on the old site, it doesn't exactly reassure anyone that they'll remain safe.)
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Post by fhornofvalere on Jul 17, 2007 23:48:59 GMT
Just a thought... since this sight can remain for archiving, we can still link to stickies here. For instance, the reviews... I plan on making the reviews archive with all the links currently in use over here, so actually we'll be able to avoid losing even a single review.
I haven't really thought about the other stuff...
Yes, it will be a pain. Yes, it could have been handled better. But really, short of leaving DM, we won't be able to accomplish anything. I would propose that we decide once and for all if we stay or if we go. If we stay, we break ties with DM. I won't lie.. I do think it would be rough, but we would be free. If we go to DM, we transfer over after they work the bugs out.
Either way, we really should stop the bickering. Complaining about who did what and who said what won't change what happened. That kind of thing is what breaks people apart.
And for the record, I didn't suggest we deciding on leaving because I am calling for a split. I am suggesting it purely for the sake of moving on, no matter what path that entails.
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Post by Blademaster Mystica on Jul 18, 2007 0:20:34 GMT
there you go again, Horn, trying to force things lol. I understand your impatience with this situation, but really it isn't a decision we can ask Corki to make overnight.
Also, how much of the Band will remain 'our' Band once we fall under the DM rules of posting? Already it is made clear that no light RP will be allowed anywhere other than on a board called Revolution One. This is not hearsay, this comes directly from Kath herself.
So we can say byebye to almost all our ceremonies, the meadow in the cav, etc.
Just exactly do you see the Band as it is, which is 'why' it is as popular as it is, survive under the posting rules of DM where no RP is allowed other than on the designated boards which won't be 'our' boards, no spam is allowed other than on the designated boards. Where will we be allowed to do our brawls? Can you see the RR program actually work on those boards under those rules? I can't, honestly. Everything that makes the Band what it is will fall to pieces because we operate under a different set of posting rules than on DM except for the two major ones: pg13 and Dm being the main important motherboard.
I say we give Corki the time he needs to view all sides and talk to all involved and we don't pressure him into making a decision before he's ready to do so.
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Post by taymist on Jul 18, 2007 0:36:22 GMT
I agree with both of you.
As several people, including myself, have said for some time, the decision is made as far as the DM people are concerned. We only have 2 options, we stay at DM or we split. Which of those happens is down to Corki...... and Myst is correct, he doesn't need to be pressured to decide right this second.
I also agree with Myst in as much as I can see no possible way of our RP and spam stuff working at DM. That's the basic problem. If we move to those boards, it won't be our Band as we know it now any more.
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Post by BM Ashandarei Dracarys on Jul 18, 2007 0:56:12 GMT
I really don't think Horn is trying to force Corki's hand. And I do agree with him. What he's saying that we simply ought to come to a decision, a vote even, where each of us votes and says yes we ought to split, or no we ought to join. This doesn't have to be done right away, in fact it ought to wait until we see a demonstration from another org go through it etc. But even then, the final decision will come down to yes or no, and although I will fully support Corki, I think that before he decides we ought to have a band-wide vote on it after having seen it work or not work with the other org(s). lol, And I too finally cracked and posted, both on Dm, and here.
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Post by fhornofvalere on Jul 18, 2007 1:33:02 GMT
Ok, regarding what I posted and why...
The decision to split or not is ours to make. Corki also understands this. He already told me if we split, it will ONLY be after we as an org have a vote. It is not Corki's decision to make. He can choose to comply or not to comply and then lose his job, but I am pressuring him into nothing because frankly there is no decision he can make on the issue because it is a group decision. If Corki could just one day say "Hey, we're leaving DM because I decided it is best," it would be just as bad as what we are mad at Jason for doing to us at DM.
And this is the reason I am asking for it sooner rather than later..
The more we b*tch and complain at DM, the bigger the rift between the two sides, and the more we tarnish our own image. Whether you care to admit it or not, a lot of what I saw over there in that thread, while valid and while I agree with it, was done with little or no tact.
So bottom line.. If we STAY: the longer we wait, the bigger the rift we make between ourselves and the rest of DM. If we LEAVE: the longer we wait, the harder it will be for those of us who plan on staying at DM with our other orgs that are not leaving.
No matter the result, waiting longer will only hurt us.
Either that, or we need to shut up until we can actually see another org go through with this and see how it would affect us to do as Jason demands.
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Post by BM Ashandarei Dracarys on Jul 18, 2007 2:05:37 GMT
Either that, or we need to shut up until we can actually see another org go through with this and see how it would affect us to do as Jason demands. Yeah I agree and said as much in my post in the DM thread.
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